tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post1997150529459238436..comments2024-03-26T09:50:56.937-07:00Comments on International Legendary Museum: All-Time Squads Potential Assessment Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-84391289382261450942021-09-13T10:51:31.458-07:002021-09-13T10:51:31.458-07:00Hellou!
RSSSF just released their new players with...Hellou!<br />RSSSF just released their new players with 500 or more goals, it took them like 5 years to research and find data on new entries:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footballers_with_500_or_more_goals<br /><br />Is there some of the newly added players that you didn't cover yet? I personally think Helmchen is interestingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-32801930820701878832021-06-15T07:32:07.573-07:002021-06-15T07:32:07.573-07:00This is very beautiful love your museumThis is very beautiful love your museumSaptanshuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03980407069870781396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-23007325133876297422018-05-11T14:33:10.765-07:002018-05-11T14:33:10.765-07:00Now that explains it. I think I would still consid...Now that explains it. I think I would still consider the players from similarly performing countries as having been of equal standard overall but that is perhaps just a personal preference as I think a vital component of greatness in a team sport is being able to work with the team even if other factors prevent this and maybe also a bias for international football. I considered bringing up Czechoslovakia but their 8th place in the country evaluation seemed like a rather odd result anyway in any case this is not the only site where I have noticed such a difference for example I noticed previously a site called footballs greatest that included only Hugo Sanchez from Mexico yet all countries with a better result in the world football elo ratings since 1970 (I had not seen this site before) had 9 players or more. As a side note is the use of qualifying in the country evaluation partly to prevent countries in weaker confederations from being rated too highly I noticed that all countries from outside Europe and South America would do better if only world cup and continental champs were considered? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-23827242648089776782018-05-11T05:31:13.849-07:002018-05-11T05:31:13.849-07:00Now it become clear to me. I think the case you ar...Now it become clear to me. I think the case you are comparing is not related. The team achievement is much depend on teamwork ability so it does not mean nations with higher ranking must have a better legends in overall. Czechoslovakia is the best example. They're ranked very high in international country list but their legend class is much inferior to Holland and Hungary that is ranked below Czechoslovakia in country ranking. <br /><br /><br />Regarding the selection criteria, I'm sorry that did not explain so informatively due to my limitation of time. Actually it is not only peak performance. Basically all players are selected by performance criteria system. However, in specific cases that players were limited in opportunity such as injury, playing in war-time, etc, the prime seasons will be a decisive factor. <br /><br /> Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-35756148133284425642018-05-11T05:01:07.949-07:002018-05-11T05:01:07.949-07:00ok so it is ONLY peak performance that determines ...ok so it is ONLY peak performance that determines the squads I had not realised that. However to be honest this was not really my question I was asking if players in different all time squads could be directly compared for the most extreme examples. Joseph Hugi is the greatest Swiz player of all time Jimmy McGory is the 9th greatest Scottish player of all time. Joseph is prince silver class Jimmy is queen bronze class and they are both strikers so that would say the Scot is comfortably a better player yet if Scotland are the 28th greatest football nation and Switzerland 19th (country evaluation) then it would seem extremely odd that there are 9 Scottish players better than the greatest Swiz player of all time in a similar situation Nwanko Kanu Nigeria's best ever player appears to be nowhere near as good a player as Gareth Bale not even in the top 5 greatest Welsh players. My original question was how could this be the case from your answer it would seem that Scottish and Welsh players all have extremely good performance for a few years but then lose ability is this the case (I am somewhat sceptical noting this was certainly not the case of Ryan Giggs)?. Or have these countries been blessed with about 10 exceptional players each while most players who have represented the national team have been of poor standard compared to those who represented Switzerland or Nigeria (this seems a little more likely) a combination of these is perhaps possible or is prince bronze class for a Nigerian player not the same as it is for Welsh players? I am not sure how else I can explain it this is the question I have been wondering. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-12997901773468059952018-05-10T05:44:53.320-07:002018-05-10T05:44:53.320-07:00To make easier understanding, I select players her...To make easier understanding, I select players here based on their prime of 3 years, if a player better than a player in the prime, he is automatically rated ahead of another regardless of the other performances. This replied your question ?Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-88565903857952194052018-05-07T12:49:19.628-07:002018-05-07T12:49:19.628-07:00So the criteria that determine that for example Ro...So the criteria that determine that for example Ronaldinho loses his place (I assume to Garrincha) in the all time Brazilian first XI are different to those that determine that the Brazilian XI is stronger than the all time German first XI. Does that mean the it is still valid to consider for example Samuel Eto'o and say his class shows he is clearly not as good a player as George Best? (I know they do not fill the same position but it seems that wingers and strikers in the same class have a similar result in the player evaluation). By the way I know that your analysis shows George Best is a better player than Samuel Eto'o but I am asking if it is possible to see this by examining the International Legendary Museum. Ps I am also not saying that Ronaldinho was more skilled than Garrincha that is just an example of a national squad selection and sorry if the last post marked as a blob is confusing it is of course still me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-5092606170086407662018-05-06T05:22:02.497-07:002018-05-06T05:22:02.497-07:00Now I understand what are you have pointed out. In...Now I understand what are you have pointed out. In all-time XI by nation, I select players based on their prime performance or actual contribution as you states. I means only all-time XI assessment is rated by skill. Actually skill is rated from I have watched but it is different from actual performance that skill is independent from circumstantial variable such as injury, mind-set, etc. Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-3214577151613241742018-05-02T17:25:58.006-07:002018-05-02T17:25:58.006-07:00I understand that number of queen class players is...I understand that number of queen class players is not a perfect metric for example it would appear that most countries have relatively fewer defenders in this class than in other positions (Italy is a notable exception). I used this as it easy to quantify and show that Scotland or Hungary not only have more high class players than some similar countries but far more. Yes I used all time country performance ranking in which Mexico(21st) and Colombia (26th) rank higher than Scotland (28th) is there a different ranking on this website I know there are rankings such as the world football elo ratings however I accept the argument that your ranking is a better record of meaningful all time achievement (while the world football elo ratings are more useful I think for seeing the difficulty of beating a team right now). You say that players skill is more important than performance in club or NT I suppose this makes sense so is this to say that Wales had several players who were more skilled than say Cha bum Kun but that their actual performance is lower (in the same way that Ronaldinho was more skilled than Lothar Mattheus but did not necessarily add as much to the teams he played in)? Personally I would prefer to rank players based on the actual contribution they make to teams performance but this makes sense is that what you are saying? That in theory a first XI of the greatest Scottish players of all time would very probably win against the greatest XI Swiz players but that Scotland's actual NT performance is lower. By the way I brought up club Vs national team career based on the fact that a disproportionate number of top players in the EPL seem to have been from the other parts of Britain such as George Best, Kenny Daglish, Ryan Griggs etc. compared to these countries relatively poor international records however I could not think of enough players to really tell.<br />Ps I am trying to use several different examples to point out that this is not just one fluke comparison that has produced results which surprise me. <br /> a blobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13401683092350586158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-14185838468026653452018-05-01T06:50:18.413-07:002018-05-01T06:50:18.413-07:00You have an intensive issue here. The number of qu...You have an intensive issue here. The number of queen class includes reserved players. Some nations have many queen class attackers but their defenders are below queen class. Most obvious cases are Wales and Portugal.In the assessment, it is more based on players skill than specific performance in club or NT.<br /> <br />I'm not sure which ranking do you refer that Colombia and Mexico has a better international record than Scotland ? or do you refer to country performance ranking ? If yes, that ranking is all-time performance for reality but here is a model of all-time XI. <br />Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-64138407923299536822018-04-28T21:58:55.638-07:002018-04-28T21:58:55.638-07:00The thing that I do not understand is that some co...The thing that I do not understand is that some countries feature considerably more or fewer high standard players than would be expected from their international record. Looking at the number of queen class or higher players per country some values make sense Brazil, Germany, Italy and Argentina lead with 39, 35, 31 and 31 receptively but further down there are some odd points for example Scotland has 11 the same number as Uruguay and far more than Columbia (0) or Mexico (1) which have better international records (according to the country evaluation). Likewise Austria has 7 but is likewise worse than Mexico, Switzerland(0) or Chile (1) in all time performance. Northern Ireland and Wales have 4 each while the vast majority of country's at that level like Costa Rica, Ghana, USA, Norway etc. have none. Hungary has 15 yet is just 1 place higher than Chile. While I can understand a country may have featured a couple better players than one that generally does better it simply does not seem plausible that a country like Scotland could have produced so many great players yet still perform worse than countries that had none or that Ryan Griggs, John Charles and 2 other Welsh players could be easily ahead of any players from Costa Rica, South Korea or Egypt (which have no players higher than prince silver) when Wales can qualify for any major tournament. I am not saying you are wrong as I can see that your methods of judging great players are consistent but do you know why this could be the case? Do some countries tend to produce players who play spectacularly for their clubs but show little commitment to or simply play poorly for the national team or just a disproportionate number of great players but not enough good players to put together a good team? Sorry if this is a difficult question and any way thanks for the amazing work you have put into this website I have never seen anything else like it. <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-33241268651233629462017-12-17T22:09:58.212-08:002017-12-17T22:09:58.212-08:00Ok, thanks. And including only players (XI and sub...Ok, thanks. And including only players (XI and substitution) and excluding manager, who is the best in history? Argentina or Brazil?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-9456690959649010982017-12-09T21:07:44.638-08:002017-12-09T21:07:44.638-08:00London is an all stars of London team. It competes...London is an all stars of London team. It competes in official inter cities fair cup match and other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_XINaratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-34443709037130919512017-12-06T01:17:25.232-08:002017-12-06T01:17:25.232-08:00What is "London"??What is "London"??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-24322164468071069842017-07-20T05:26:54.807-07:002017-07-20T05:26:54.807-07:00Yes, Total means the entire squad include substitu...Yes, Total means the entire squad include substitution and manager.Naratorn Wirunhchatapanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18360396750519644280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-56358621727981840112017-07-20T04:46:46.408-07:002017-07-20T04:46:46.408-07:00The first table is yellow and white and I can'...The first table is yellow and white and I can't read it, please fix it.<br />And what's the difference between "Total" and "XI"? The first one is XI plus manager plus substitution?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4004522032300864655.post-67365221818942513172015-04-24T20:51:27.852-07:002015-04-24T20:51:27.852-07:00Recent Update
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